I think it's weird that people try to understand themselves and then try to fit or mold a chart to fit their personality when actually the chart is supposed to help them understand themselves. Astrology is loose and fluid just like your personality. Last edited by AppLeo; at AM.
I've always had many doubts about which house system would be appropriate, since my chart does change in ways that seem very significant to me on a personal level. Planets moving houses, from Pluto in the 9th to the 10th and Neptune from the 12th to the 11th. I've found both placements truthful to a certain extent, e. These two influences moving seem very important, since I am Pisces dominant and Neptune's position and meaning is necessary for the comprehension of my chart, at least in my eyes.
Same goes for Pluto, shifting from the 9th to the 10th, it fits my ambitious nature, although this might just be because of Pluto being conjunct to my MC.
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I'd like it if there were a fixed standard for what system to use or at least an indicator. Originally Posted by airy. Originally Posted by david starling. I'm thinking of them as descriptions of "alternative Life-paths". Maybe you're still undecided as to which path to take. In terms of life paths I'm very much stranded at the time. I looked into astrology to seek out strengths and weaknesses within myself that may have gone undetected. That's why I thought having a clear picture of what my chart would be like, as to planets in their houses, so that I can further understand myself.
However, if there's anything I've learned of astrology to this date is that hardly anything is set in stone. Astrologers use what fits them best, but it's difficult for me, since I try to seek a method that is "true", even if that's not entirely possible because Astrology is different for everyone. Fact is, regarding horoscopic astrology an accurate time of birth is essential because the time of birth determines the houses i. My birth time is pretty accurate, it's on my birth certificate as AM. I previously thought it was AM although I was mistaken.
I wish it was different though, I've got a pretty annoying stellium in the 12th that I would like to pretend didn't exist, lol. Use an alternative house system. Oh, may I ask what you might recommend?
When I hear alternative house system I hear whole houses or equal. Placidus is the most common for me. I'm assuming you use Placidus That's the default on astro.
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I use Placidus and have checked out Equal house, but that's about it. I suppose you suggest I try all the different ones astro. This is interesting, since it shifts my planets once more. Pluto from 9th to 10th this seems to happen in any system that is not Placiuds. All times are GMT. The time now is AM. Contact Us - AstrologyWeekly. Boards' structure and all posts are property of AstrologyWeekly. No part of the messages sent on these boards may be copied without their owners' explicit consent.
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Thread Tools. Deirdre Senior Member. Join Date: May Posts: Find all posts by Deirdre. Claire19 Senior Member. Find all posts by Claire Join Date: Jan Posts: 49, Quote: Originally Posted by Deirdre When we put out a chart, astro. DavidMcCann Junior Member. I should disclose that I began my journey in astrology using the tropical zodiac and Placidus houses. After learning about Hellenistic astrology in , I switched to Whole Sign Houses for every area of my astrological practice — natal, horary, electional, etc.
I understand opinions surrounding this topic can get heated and feel personal, oftentimes because we become attached to how our charts look in a given house system. Houses are the main horizonal framework in astrology. Houses are supposed to show what domain of life a given planet has a particular relevance for.
While astrologers mostly agree about what the 12 houses are about, less agree on which house system to use, and debates on this topic are a recurring feature of modern astrological discourse. I think there is a third way here: All house systems are equally valid and meaningful because they each refer to something different which would consequently give them each a different meaning, which makes a specific house system the best one to use for its particular purpose.
If it helps, this also appears to be how the earliest western horoscopic astrologers looked at different divisions. Here is a list of contributing factors to the significations of houses:.
Out of these, the dynamic interaction of diurnal and zodiacal motion of planets around the angles are probably the primary basis for many house significations. In our astrological context, it means a pivot or turning point. Each of the pivots, then, must be understood as a special kind of turning point, with respect to which planets in the whole sign surrounding these pivots are understood to be centered.
When we think of the order of houses, we tend to think angular-succedent-cadent, from order of greatest influence to least. This is why traditional authors often ascribe the labor of childbirth to the 12th House because it represents conditions before birth. This is partly why the 2nd House represents material possessions because we depend on material sustenance to stay alive after birth.
A planet in the 10th House is reaching its culmination and so it represents a point of maturity, achievement, our worldly careers. This is why the 9th House is associated with higher education which prepares one for their adult career, and more broadly, thought precedes action. This is why the 11th House is about awards, gifts, acquisitions, allies.
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This is partly why the 6th House is associated with illness and injury, because they precede death. This is why the 8th House is associated with legacies and inheritances, because those are issues dealt with after someone has died. A planet in the 4th House is reaching its rest or anti-culmination on the other side of the Earth from a given location. This is why the 3rd House is associated with relatives and siblings.
So a house system that organically arises out of these considerations would fundamentally organize its division of houses around the angles, not between them. Virtually all quadrant-based house systems are at odds with this fundamental triadic organization of house significations, because instead of dividing space around the angles evenly, they in different ways divide the space between the angles evenly. So we can at least agree that there is a discrepancy between the organization of house meanings and the division of houses in quadrant-based systems?
So, is there a house system which properly reflects these foundations for house meanings? Yes, yes there is.
Whatever sign the Ascendant is in is the 1st house, the next sign is the 2nd, the next is the 3rd, etc. So the Ascendant defines what the ascending sign is, and that sign is the 1st house. The zodiacal divisions relative to the angles are an extremely covenient way to divide up the sky according to the triadic logic of the houses. The sign rising before it is cadent for having been angular, and the sign rising after it is succedent for having yet to be angular.
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Equal houses are a similarly elegant concept. In equal houses, the degree of a given house cusp will always fall within its associated whole sign house. Communication, transportation, and local community are all governed by the third house. Natal planets in the Third House are motivated by expression and often build close relationships with their peers, including siblings, coworkers, and classmates. When planets transit the Third House, we often receive important information about our immediate network.
This House corresponds with Gemini energy. The Fourth House sits at the base of the chart and symbolizes home and family. Planets moving across the Fourth House often encourage us to invest in our infrastructure by creating more private, nurturing spaces within.